On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:

My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a
rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

Every computer in my home has at least 32gb in it.

Discord sitting at 287mb here, which is pretty high for what it is...
Though I'm sitting with 40GB available, and about to drop in another
64gb with a new video card when it gets in tomorrow.
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On 7/20/2021 7:52 PM, Nightfox wrote:

Windows 11 has that too (works with Android, dunno about iOS). Of
course, I've been using Google Voice, since it was Grand Central
before Google bought them, so using my phone and desktop is pretty
much been it... though I've also experienced every pain of Google's
schizophrenic approach to chat applications.

That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android
apps.

Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th) though.
I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

I had a Samsung phone not too long ago, and they had some software for Windows PCs that would let you control your phone from your PC. It
would show the phone's screen on your PC and you could interact with
it using that software. I thought it was interesting.

Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode where
you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that seems kind of
cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

The win11 integration, I haven't used much and it's a little annoying to me.
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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:58 pm

That's cool. I heard Windows 11 is supposed to be able to run Android
apps.

Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th) though.
I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

I've seen Android emulators for Windows that let you run Android apps on Windows. So it's something that's out there already. It seems Microsoft wants it included with Windows.. I wonder if it will be more of a seamless feature being integrated into Windows.

Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode where you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that seems kind of cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

I had a Samsung S20 phone that did that, or at least something like that. I thought it was cool. It didn't need a dock - I could plug my phone into my PC with a USB3 cable, and the Samsung software would let me basically see my phone screen on my PC and interact with it from my PC that way.

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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Fri Sep 03 2021 06:39 pm

On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:

My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

Don't forget to send your RAM to the hospital so they can use a
rape kit on it after Discord is finished with it.

Every computer in my home has at least 32gb in it.

Discord sitting at 287mb here, which is pretty high for what it is...
Though I'm sitting with 40GB available, and about to drop in another
64gb with a new video card when it gets in tomorrow.

Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

Besides, it is awesome that the weakest of your computers has more RAM that every computer in my house combined, including smartphones. However, some of us have a tight budget and make do with scrapyard computers, and 250+mb is somethig you DO notice when the rest of what you are doing in the same computer takes less than 400 mb combined.And you notice it more when you are using computers with 1 or 2 Gb of RAM.

My most powerful computer is from 2007, and it was obsoleted already.

There is a lot of talk of being socially inclusive and whatnot in the IT industry, but something I often hear is:

"We should deprecate this technology because nobody is using it"

or

"Let's make this thing a requirenment, everybody already has it, after all"

The irony is that they end up deprecating technology because they don't use it anymore despite the fact there are lange numbers of people in less wealthy countries depending on the now deprecated technology. They don't care if somebody from Africa's screwed up because their lame software now requires more RAM than the whole village can afford.

Also, Linux distributions were deprecating CD releases in favor of DVD releases "because nobody uses CDs anymore" despite the fact CD production was ON THE RISE WORLDWIDE because lots of poor countries prefer CDs over DVDs due to price.

So it seems to me the IT industry is inclusive until the time comes to include people with no money or resources. Those we can screw up.

So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.



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Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 05.09.21 - 08:26, Arelor wrote to Tracker1:

On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:

My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

[...]

Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

A message from July doesn't seem so bad. It's summertime and
people get occupied with things.

At what point in time is replying to a message considered a
necro event? And why does it seem to have a negative
connotation?

Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
dated much older than the one that you mention. :/


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Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Sep 05 2021 11:23 pm

Hello Arelor!

** On Sunday 05.09.21 - 08:26, Arelor wrote to Tracker1:

On 7/20/2021 1:45 AM, Arelor wrote:

My condolences for downloading and installing Discord.

[...]

Heh, you are necroing an old thread.

A message from July doesn't seem so bad. It's summertime and
people get occupied with things.

At what point in time is replying to a message considered a
necro event? And why does it seem to have a negative
connotation?

Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
dated much older than the one that you mention. :/

I have nothing against Necromancers. They give out a lot of XP when you defeat them.

There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think something is necro when it happens long after interest on the thread has waned.

I think nobody even remembered the Discord discussion, which for me scores as necro. I bet Tracker1 lives in a dark tower of power and spends his time reading black tomes while listening to The Spell and raising dead threads from the grave.

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Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Sep 06 2021 06:23 am

Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
dated much older than the one that you mention. :/

I have nothing against Necromancers. They give out a lot of XP when you defeat them.

There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think

tracker is different in that he is just gone for long stretches. he's not a new guy who just didnt update his msg pointers.

so i'm not sure how to complain about him.
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Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
By: MRO to Arelor on Mon Sep 06 2021 09:12 am

Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Sep 06 2021 06:23 am

Heck, I have marked messages (intended for a reply) that are
dated much older than the one that you mention. :/

I have nothing against Necromancers. They give out a lot of XP when you defeat them.

There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think

tracker is different in that he is just gone for long stretches. he's not a new guy who just didnt update his msg pointers.

so i'm not sure how to complain about him.

Hire a group of adventures (a fighter, a wizard, a rogue and a cleric are the standard) to sneak into his necromantic tower and steal the Hand of Vecna from his treasure chamber. That should be a good enough complaint for a Necromancer :-)

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On 9/4/2021 1:37 PM, Nightfox wrote:

Yeah, apparently the feature will be post-release (October 5th)
though. I haven't seen/tried it on insiders though.

I've seen Android emulators for Windows that let you run Android apps
on Windows. So it's something that's out there already. It seems
Microsoft wants it included with Windows.. I wonder if it will be
more of a seamless feature being integrated into Windows.

Should be... rumor is it'll use Amazon's store instead of Google Play,
so very mixed bag, and no wonder it slipped.

Some Samsung (and other) phones actually have a hub/desktop mode
where you can use a usb3 dock and get a desktop experience, that
seems kind of cool too. Hadn't seen the mirroring.

I had a Samsung S20 phone that did that, or at least something like
that. I thought it was cool. It didn't need a dock - I could plug
my phone into my PC with a USB3 cable, and the Samsung software would
let me basically see my phone screen on my PC and interact with it
from my PC that way.

That's kind of cool... what I'm talking about, no computer needed, the
phone *is* the computer. There's a win10/11 software MS has that can do
some stuff with my android phone... mostly use it to copy pictures off
of it.

Really wanting to switch back to Linux (PopOS), but also wanting to try
some AI up-scaling for video, that's limited to Windows. May have to
stick a second drive in again so I can dual-boot cleaner.
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On 9/5/2021 6:26 AM, Arelor wrote:

So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on
your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a
guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.

I wasn't trying to be offensive... only mentioning that 16+ has been
widely available for a while, at least in the US. I'm often very
surprised when I see something with less than 8gb.

There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.
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On 9/6/2021 4:23 AM, Arelor wrote:

I bet Tracker1 lives in a dark tower of power and spends his time
reading black tomes while listening to The Spell and raising dead
threads from the grave.

More that I work too much, and at the end of the day don't really check
on the BBS as often as I should... so weeks often go by between read
cycles for me.

After this week, I have two off, planning on spending at least half of
it working on the BBS.
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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Tracker1 to Nightfox on Tue Sep 21 2021 04:30 pm

Really wanting to switch back to Linux (PopOS), but also wanting to try some AI up-scaling for video, that's limited to Windows. May have to stick a second drive in again so I can dual-boot cleaner.

Is it Topaz Video Enhance AI by chance? I've been using that on and off since about April last year to do some video upscaling. I've considered switching to Linux for a long time but haven't due to software, and now Topaz Video Enhance AI is one reason why.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Tracker1 to Arelor on Tue Sep 21 2021 04:39 pm

On 9/5/2021 6:26 AM, Arelor wrote:

So yes, it is awesome that you can afford to have 32 Gb of RAM on
your weakest computer. But that is not an argument to make to a
guy whose pro-computer fleet has no computer with more than 2.

I wasn't trying to be offensive... only mentioning that 16+ has been
widely available for a while, at least in the US. I'm often very
surprised when I see something with less than 8gb.

There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.

You can pull it off with Linux for sure. Just swapon the external drive :-)

I was testing some setup for deployment yesterday. I used a workstation of 2 GB of RAM and a
processor so cingeworthy I am not going to ashame myself by giving its specs here.

The thing can run Firefox, Thunderbird and Libreoffice at the same time. It swaps from time to time
but you can certainly use it in a pitch. If you can write reports in Writer while notifying
insurance companies of a case's status via a web portal, while you get mails and live updates
regarding events and schedules via calendar addons, then I think it is safe to say the computer you
do it all from is usable :-)

I also tested OpenBSD. Putting the working environment together was a bit hackish but it also does
well. I think it is a bit more responsive than Linux in some regards but their Thunderbird
implementation is slower.

I also tried Tiny Core Linux. That thing rocks. It is blazing fast and you don't realize you are
using a stoneage computer. The drawback is the distribution is no suitable for firmwork because the
repositories lack package signing and the process by which they accept package submissions is too
free-for-all.


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Arelor wrote to Tracker1 <=-

There's definitely some hard press to try to get something running that
low on resources with a modern desktop. There was some options in
Windows XP that let you use a fast USB or other drive as extension
memory. Not sure if you can still do that in Windows or Linux.

Yes, it's called ReadyBoost, it acts as a disk cache if memory serves.

I was testing some setup for deployment yesterday. I used a workstation
of 2 GB of RAM and a processor so cingeworthy I am not going to ashame myself by giving its specs here.

I used a Thinkpad T42 for years with Lubuntu. 1.7Ghz single-core CPU, 2 GB
of DDR RAM, 5400 RPM PATA drive, later updated to a PATA SSD. It did everything I could throw at it except for full-screen video. It was a little choppy.

Best damn keyboard on a laptop, ever. Best industrial design on a laptop,
IMO. The T4x series were a high-water mark for 4:3 laptops.






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On 9/22/2021 8:42 AM, Nightfox wrote:

Really wanting to switch back to Linux (PopOS), but also wanting to
try some AI up-scaling for video, that's limited to Windows. May have
to stick a second drive in again so I can dual-boot cleaner.

Is it Topaz Video Enhance AI by chance? I've been using that on and
off since about April last year to do some video upscaling. I've
considered switching to Linux for a long time but haven't due to
software, and now Topaz Video Enhance AI is one reason why.

That would be the one... been meaning to play with it, I have some DVDs
that don't have HD versions that I'd been wanting to upscale, though
dual boot should work for the future... also, not sure how much I'm
willing to deal with the secure boot in windows, and if it will/won't
work in Linux for me.

How has it been working for you... now that I have a 3080, hoping it
will chew through it relatively quickly.
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knightbbs wrote:

nobody uses instant msging anymore.

Shame actually. I got on the net in 1996 and ICQ and IRC were my main means of communication. I loved getting the oh-ow sounds when logging in, having people reach out to me and exchanging messages.

I used ICQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger...I still remember my ICQ number, and it's only 7 digits :)

I'm pretty bummed YIM shut down, that was a decent messenger. In the end I
used some multi-messenger program, I forgot which, but then people started moving away and using FB and snapchat and stuff. I don't have a snap, or a tictok...well, I do because I had to post something for a contest, but other than that I never use them.

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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Nelgin to knightbbs on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:14 am

knightbbs wrote:

nobody uses instant msging anymore.

Shame actually. I got on the net in 1996 and ICQ and IRC were my main means of communication. I loved getting the oh-ow sounds when logging in, having people reach out to me and exchanging messages.

I used ICQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger...I still remember my ICQ

did you purposely not quote the date so i couldnt call you a necroposter
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Nelgin wrote to knightbbs <=-

I'm pretty bummed YIM shut down, that was a decent messenger. In the
end I used some multi-messenger program, I forgot which, but then
people started moving away and using FB and snapchat and stuff.

There was a golden age where GAIM (and it's later incarnation, Pidgin) were
a part of work and play. I had a security chat on SILC, some friends on
Yahoo, work used AIM (with a proxy so we could connect when the net was
down), I had a Jabber server running, and other friends elsewhere. Skype
even worked, if only for chat. I'd even had it plugged into Synchro.net's
IRC network.



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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Nelgin to knightbbs on Thu Sep 30 2021 02:14 am

I used ICQ, AIM, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger...I still remember my ICQ number, and it's only 7 digits :)

I used to use ICQ too, and I remember mine as well.

I'm pretty bummed YIM shut down, that was a decent messenger. In the end I used some multi-messenger program, I forgot which, but then people started moving away and using FB and snapchat and stuff. I don't have a snap, or a tictok...well, I do because I had to post something for a contest, but other than that I never use them.

I'm bummed that pretty much all the major messenger services have shut down (I think ICQ still works, but it's not the same as it used to be). And I don't think Facebook Messenger, Snapchat, etc. are quite the same.

Years ago, Microsoft merged MSN Messenger into Skype, and then all my MSN Messenger contacts disappeared (they didn't get migrated to my Skype contact list). I was bummed about that.

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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 2021 07:20 am

There was a golden age where GAIM (and it's later incarnation, Pidgin) were a part of work and play. I had a security chat on SILC, some friends on Yahoo, work used AIM (with a proxy so we could connect when the net was down), I had a Jabber server running, and other friends elsewhere. Skype even worked, if only for chat. I'd even had it plugged into Synchro.net's IRC network.

I liked those multi-chat clients, but I noticed sometimes they didn't seem to work well all the time with all the different chat protocols. I knew a couple people who used Pidgin & similar, and sometimes it seemed their chat app would report me online when I wasn't or vice-versa. Or sometimes I'd try to send them a file from my chat client and they couldn't receive it, etc..

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Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

seem to work well all the time with all the different chat protocols.
I knew a couple people who used Pidgin & similar, and sometimes it
seemed their chat app would report me online when I wasn't or
vice-versa. Or sometimes I'd try to send them a file from my chat
client and they couldn't receive it, etc..

It was nice to be able to use end-to-end encryption with pidgin-OTR - and
this was 2007 or so!


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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: MRO to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:38:02

did you purposely not quote the date so i couldnt call you a necroposter

It only just showed up here so either something got something stuck and finally send it out, or someone dumped a lot of dupes that were so old I didn't have them any more so no idea.

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Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: Nelgin to MRO on Sun Oct 03 2021 04:55 pm

Re: Re: KICQ as an "Old New I
By: MRO to Nelgin on Thu Sep 30 2021 08:38:02

did you purposely not quote the date so i couldnt call you a necroposter

It only just showed up here so either something got something stuck and finally send it out, or someone dumped a lot of dupes that were so old I didn't have them any more so no idea.

what kind of setup do you have there? synchronet isnt that hard and you shouldn't have that problem.
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Hello Arelor!

** On Monday 06.09.21 - 06:23, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think something is necro when it happens long after interest on the thread has waned.

For me, I mark messages that I consider worthy of a reply, but
something to do later. Most of that time (ie, recently) that
"later" turns out to me a few months. By then, the main topic
could surely have wained or diminished in messaging activity,
but it doesn't mean that a new resurfaced reply couldn't be of
interested to watching eyes. Most people are just lurkers it
seems, anyway.

[...] I bet Tracker1 lives in a dark tower of power and spends his
time reading black tomes while listening to The Spell and raising dead threads from the grave.

LOL <g>

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Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
By: Arelor to Ogg on Mon Sep 06 2021 06:23 am

There is no hard rule for defining what is necro and what is not. I think something is necro when it happens long after interest on the thread has waned.

What I think is funny/odd is, if someone starts a new thread about the same topic, that's fine. But some people seem to get annoyed when someone responds to another thread about the same topic if it's a somewhat old thread. I guess we shouldn't assume the original poster is still interested (but maybe they are). But if people can start new threads, I don't see why it should be such a big deal to respond to other threads regarding the same topic.

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Re: Heh, you are necroing an old thread
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Fri Oct 15 2021 09:48 am

What I think is funny/odd is, if someone starts a new thread about the same topic, that's fine. But some people seem to get annoyed when someone responds to another thread about the same topic if it's a somewhat old thread. I guess we shouldn't assume the original poster is still interested (but maybe they are). But if people can start new threads, I don't see why it should be such a big deal to respond to other threads regarding the same topic.

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